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	<title>Comments on: NAR&#8217;s IDX Rule Changes Need More Study</title>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the NAR IDX Enhancement Work Group — The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-4966</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the NAR IDX Enhancement Work Group — The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NAR’s IDX Rule Changes Need More Study, is a good article on the initial days of the controversy and what happened at the midyear meeting. The comments are definitely worth reading. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joining the NAR’s Multiple Listing Issues and Policies Committee. Lord help me. Or them… — The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-98</link>
		<dc:creator>Joining the NAR’s Multiple Listing Issues and Policies Committee. Lord help me. Or them… — The Phoenix Real Estate Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 00:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NAR’s IDX Rule Changes Need More Study [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Azarian</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Azarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 22:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REALTORS are responsible for the data. It is important that the Directors do what is inn the best interest of its members. While it would have been nice to move forward in the May meeting I am confident the Directors will get the issue resolved in November.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REALTORS are responsible for the data. It is important that the Directors do what is inn the best interest of its members. While it would have been nice to move forward in the May meeting I am confident the Directors will get the issue resolved in November.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Little</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-78</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Little</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 03:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why, when the horse is already out of the barn, are we now visiting this? NAR has sold our birthright to a for profit organization (REALTOR.com), and now wants us to keep google from helping buyers find our seller&#039;s property.
I have never felt it was my responsibility to KEEP buyers from buying my listings, but it was my responsibility to HELP my seller&#039;s sell the property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why, when the horse is already out of the barn, are we now visiting this? NAR has sold our birthright to a for profit organization (REALTOR.com), and now wants us to keep google from helping buyers find our seller&#8217;s property.<br />
I have never felt it was my responsibility to KEEP buyers from buying my listings, but it was my responsibility to HELP my seller&#8217;s sell the property.</p>
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		<title>By: swansonager - what is matt up to? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Attention REALTORS®, this isn&#8217;t 1994. Google is your friend, not a scraper.</title>
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		<dc:creator>swansonager - what is matt up to? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Attention REALTORS®, this isn&#8217;t 1994. Google is your friend, not a scraper.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 22:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Agent Genius - Did Google Scrape My Website? You Be The Judge Inman - Much ado over IDX indexing Real Town - Will you have to pull IDX listings? That&#8217;s how NAR IDX policy is interpreted lately. Realtor.org - NAR’s IDX Rule Changes Need More Study [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Agent Genius &#8211; Did Google Scrape My Website? You Be The Judge Inman &#8211; Much ado over IDX indexing Real Town &#8211; Will you have to pull IDX listings? That&#8217;s how NAR IDX policy is interpreted lately. Realtor.org &#8211; NAR’s IDX Rule Changes Need More Study [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Shearrow</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-72</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Shearrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 12:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Define &quot;index site&quot;.  Sure, Google is one.  So is Yahoo.  But what if Trulia starts an indexing site?  What if Google buys HouseValues?  THEN who is an indexing site and who is not?

Look, it is very clear that NAR and MIBOR are tilting at windmills here.  And it appears NAR is unable to move at the speed necessary to keep up with the advancing technology and business models.

Sure, I would LIKE to be the only game in town.  Fact is, however, that technology has moved WAY beyond the average REALTOR.  The survivors will be those who learn, adapt, and change to fit what the CONSUMER wants and needs.

If we, as an association, cannot keep our policies and technology up to date... how can we instill confidence in our potential client-base?  Blocking ANY indexing of listings is not only a head in the sand move, but it is also a detriment to OUR business models when competing with alternative business models.

If I am hamstrung by rules that handcuff me when it comes to utilizing ALL technologies that are available, then I will eventually lose out to those who can produce the technological results our clients will demand.

Depending on the technological savvy of a potential client, one of the first questions out of a seller&#039;s mouth is &quot;How many websites can you put my house listing on?&quot;  Even the most technologically backward client understands the impact of the internet in today&#039;s home search processes.

I can sit and wax for days about the reasons a client SHOULD utilize a Realtor in the very beginning of the home search process.  And it would be EXACTLY that... waxing.  Reality is that our home buyers have masses of information available to them via the web.  Our association needs to LEAD the way to provide that information, and to encourage our membership to adapt to the changing environment created by the very technology that so many seem to fear.

NAR has shown tremendous &quot;old time&quot; thinking when it comes to the advancing technologies.  It seems the board is trying its hardest to put the genie back in the bottle and &quot;return to the old days&quot;.  It&#039;s not going to happen.  NOW is the time for NAR to ADVANCE technology and ENCOURAGE new innovations in client service.  

Realtor.com WAS the resource everyone turned to for information on the web.  Sites like Trulia and Zillow simply exploited the weaknesses of NAR&#039;s bureaucracy and the complacency of the website vendor in improving the site.  Technologically, at this point, Realtor.com is desperately trying to keep up.  And there is NO EXCUSE for this, given the resources that we have at our disposal.

Lee Iaccoca said &quot;Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way&quot;.  NAR must decide which of those three models they wish to adopt.  HOPEFULLY, it will either be &quot;Lead&quot; or &quot;Get out of the Way&quot;, because the current course of &quot;Follow&quot; will eventually lead to NAR being part of the problem... and not part of the solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Define &#8220;index site&#8221;.  Sure, Google is one.  So is Yahoo.  But what if Trulia starts an indexing site?  What if Google buys HouseValues?  THEN who is an indexing site and who is not?</p>
<p>Look, it is very clear that NAR and MIBOR are tilting at windmills here.  And it appears NAR is unable to move at the speed necessary to keep up with the advancing technology and business models.</p>
<p>Sure, I would LIKE to be the only game in town.  Fact is, however, that technology has moved WAY beyond the average REALTOR.  The survivors will be those who learn, adapt, and change to fit what the CONSUMER wants and needs.</p>
<p>If we, as an association, cannot keep our policies and technology up to date&#8230; how can we instill confidence in our potential client-base?  Blocking ANY indexing of listings is not only a head in the sand move, but it is also a detriment to OUR business models when competing with alternative business models.</p>
<p>If I am hamstrung by rules that handcuff me when it comes to utilizing ALL technologies that are available, then I will eventually lose out to those who can produce the technological results our clients will demand.</p>
<p>Depending on the technological savvy of a potential client, one of the first questions out of a seller&#8217;s mouth is &#8220;How many websites can you put my house listing on?&#8221;  Even the most technologically backward client understands the impact of the internet in today&#8217;s home search processes.</p>
<p>I can sit and wax for days about the reasons a client SHOULD utilize a Realtor in the very beginning of the home search process.  And it would be EXACTLY that&#8230; waxing.  Reality is that our home buyers have masses of information available to them via the web.  Our association needs to LEAD the way to provide that information, and to encourage our membership to adapt to the changing environment created by the very technology that so many seem to fear.</p>
<p>NAR has shown tremendous &#8220;old time&#8221; thinking when it comes to the advancing technologies.  It seems the board is trying its hardest to put the genie back in the bottle and &#8220;return to the old days&#8221;.  It&#8217;s not going to happen.  NOW is the time for NAR to ADVANCE technology and ENCOURAGE new innovations in client service.  </p>
<p>Realtor.com WAS the resource everyone turned to for information on the web.  Sites like Trulia and Zillow simply exploited the weaknesses of NAR&#8217;s bureaucracy and the complacency of the website vendor in improving the site.  Technologically, at this point, Realtor.com is desperately trying to keep up.  And there is NO EXCUSE for this, given the resources that we have at our disposal.</p>
<p>Lee Iaccoca said &#8220;Lead, Follow, or Get out of the Way&#8221;.  NAR must decide which of those three models they wish to adopt.  HOPEFULLY, it will either be &#8220;Lead&#8221; or &#8220;Get out of the Way&#8221;, because the current course of &#8220;Follow&#8221; will eventually lead to NAR being part of the problem&#8230; and not part of the solution.</p>
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		<title>By: BloodhoundBlog.com &#124; NAR midyear: They&#8217;ve got a lot of what it takes to get along &#124; National real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgage and investment news</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>BloodhoundBlog.com &#124; NAR midyear: They&#8217;ve got a lot of what it takes to get along &#124; National real estate marketing and technology blog &#124; Realtors and real estate, mortgage and investment news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Lee Ali</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, IDX performed its function. It&#039;s time is up.

Long Term - All the MLSs in the US should be consolidated into one web-based MLS.

Short Term - All MLSs should just be populating Realtor.com with all kinds of listings not just home listings. We can then have links from Realtor.com to agent&#039;s websites.

Therefore, I envision massive consolidation of MLSs and elimination of IDX.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, IDX performed its function. It&#8217;s time is up.</p>
<p>Long Term &#8211; All the MLSs in the US should be consolidated into one web-based MLS.</p>
<p>Short Term &#8211; All MLSs should just be populating Realtor.com with all kinds of listings not just home listings. We can then have links from Realtor.com to agent&#8217;s websites.</p>
<p>Therefore, I envision massive consolidation of MLSs and elimination of IDX.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Silver &#124; Torontoism</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Silver &#124; Torontoism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 06:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the frustration with organized Real Estate is that it takes time to make change. However, that is also the good side of it. The Board of Directors sending it back for further consideration is not necessarily a bad thing. After years of Board work, I am always amazed at the myriad of ways that members and 3rd parties circumvent our rules. Make sure that it is done right in the first place and that may take some time. It looks like NAR wants to make the change but wants to do the due diligence. Sounds OK to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the frustration with organized Real Estate is that it takes time to make change. However, that is also the good side of it. The Board of Directors sending it back for further consideration is not necessarily a bad thing. After years of Board work, I am always amazed at the myriad of ways that members and 3rd parties circumvent our rules. Make sure that it is done right in the first place and that may take some time. It looks like NAR wants to make the change but wants to do the due diligence. Sounds OK to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stigliano</title>
		<link>http://speakingofrealestate.blogs.realtor.org/2009/05/16/nars-idx-rule-changes-need-more-study/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Stigliano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt Stigliano&#039;s updated position is as follows:

Maybe NAR needs to take one lesson from the music industry.  When we received contracts it always contained language referring to future marketing tools, delivery methods, etc. (ie, internet sales which didn&#039;t exist when I signed my contract, internet radio which wasn&#039;t even a reality, websites (barely any band had a website when I built our first one), my first record came out on cassette still, etc.).  By allowing for &quot;the future&quot; in the language, cases like this could be avoided a little better.  By the time NAR gets done shuttling this back and forth, there will be a new technology that brings up a whole other set of issues.

I still say that this is a case of no one (NAR or MIBOR) wanting to act first or step up and be the game changer.  The interpretation is flawed and that&#039;s clear as a bell to me in Cliff&#039;s comment to Jay (which he allowed to be published on AgentGenius):

&lt;blockquote&gt;It should be understood that the focus of the rule in question has never been on blocking indexing by search engines. That potential effect was not contemplated when the rule was adopted by the NAR Board of Directors in 2005 and only came to light in the past few weeks. Simply put, the issue is whether - and how - indexing by search engines can be accommodated while at the same time clearly and objectively distinguishing that functionality from the scraping the IDX policy prohibits to protect MLS databases from misuse and misappropriation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Stigliano&#8217;s updated position is as follows:</p>
<p>Maybe NAR needs to take one lesson from the music industry.  When we received contracts it always contained language referring to future marketing tools, delivery methods, etc. (ie, internet sales which didn&#8217;t exist when I signed my contract, internet radio which wasn&#8217;t even a reality, websites (barely any band had a website when I built our first one), my first record came out on cassette still, etc.).  By allowing for &#8220;the future&#8221; in the language, cases like this could be avoided a little better.  By the time NAR gets done shuttling this back and forth, there will be a new technology that brings up a whole other set of issues.</p>
<p>I still say that this is a case of no one (NAR or MIBOR) wanting to act first or step up and be the game changer.  The interpretation is flawed and that&#8217;s clear as a bell to me in Cliff&#8217;s comment to Jay (which he allowed to be published on AgentGenius):</p>
<blockquote><p>It should be understood that the focus of the rule in question has never been on blocking indexing by search engines. That potential effect was not contemplated when the rule was adopted by the NAR Board of Directors in 2005 and only came to light in the past few weeks. Simply put, the issue is whether &#8211; and how &#8211; indexing by search engines can be accommodated while at the same time clearly and objectively distinguishing that functionality from the scraping the IDX policy prohibits to protect MLS databases from misuse and misappropriation.</p></blockquote>
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